okay everyone shut the fccuck up who cares...this is a album review topic not for fucccking hissy fits. This forum was fucccking awesome months back now all you fuccking idiots ruined it, this **** sucks... anyway I'll do my album review...
Alphabet. Alphabets. is one of the most creative albums i have ever hear...it's unique...This cd is very different from all the other albums but still has that trophy scars taste which i think is by far sick as hell. I have yet to find a band that can pull violans and all thos brass instuments off...unless its like regina her new album is sick as hell. Anyways i think assassins is one of the best songs on the cd, you can tell that a lot of time was put into it. the raping is sick i love it, it finishes the story which is an important thing if the writer is a story teller. The album makes sense in many ways and has many secrets...Apples i think is one of the best songs following alligators, apples is well built together and has a good rythem and those outbursts that turn into softer parts is really creative and makes people come for a second round. The writings on this album are amazing i have never read anything like it...explanes and tells more then people think...I think they did a good job the songs sound different i dont get bored of hearing the same thing over and over. All there albums are different to come to think of it. They dont want people to get bored of hearing the same thing over and over. They streach music....
pixiesfanyo wrote: Rorschach wrote: pixiesfanyo wrote: It must be embarassing to have fans like you..
I'm pretty sure the band is more then estatic to have fans like us. I've talked to 3/5th's of the band with a friend of mine. They were more then happy have us hear about how awsome we think they are. We were overly enthuisatic and they didn't care. I'm pretty John got tired of me just randomly walking up to him just to have me ask him questions. Any band would be happy to have fans that defend their music down to the said fan's last drop of blood. It's people who don't defend bands like this that starts throwing terms around like "sell-out", "scene" and "poser". You should be disgraced to call your self a fan. It's not even the music that you have to like you have to acknowledge how much effort each of these 5 guys put into this album while still doing shows. I don't wanna hear your rants on how the music "like they are following paths that have already been blazed" WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? This band sounds like nothing out there. I can't compare them to any band because they are one of the few to craft their own sound and stick with it. If people ask you what Trophy Scars sounds like and you say "A mix between this and that..." you should be shot because the only answer you should have is "Awsome!" or "Orgasmic!" whichever. As a sidenote I would like to address your ****ness.
# 1. Most of the bands I know are pretty troubled when they have fans that just mindlessly follow them no matter what they do. Tool, anyone? Sure you guys don't have the same "Maynard is GOD" attitude that those guys have but.. god damn do you not take criticism well. Jerry and the rest of the guys have taken the criticism them I've sent on here and myspace much better than you have, and they are the ones who acutally made the music.
One band I really enjoy is the Mars Volta, who I'm sure you've all heard of. Lots of people critcize them, but you don't see me getting all.. "OH MAN. TMV IS THE BEST BAND EVER, YOU CRITCIZE DEM YOU A FAG! JUST LEAVE AND STOP SAYING YOUR OPINION BECAUSE IT'S AN OPINION, AND OPINIONS ARE OPINIONS, OPINIONS." See being a fan would involve acknowledging when something a band releases is below their level. TMV has done work that isn't to their level (Scabdates) and they certainly have some areas they could improve on (Omar's repetition in guitar lines).
I've been a fan of Trophy Scars since I heard Hospital Music in 2004. I've been following them for two years, maybe you guys have been following them longer.. but they've been one of my favorite bands. While I thought Goodnight Alchemy wasn't as good as Hospital I thought it was still a great EP with a few issues. Alphabet. Alphabets has turned that around where it's a good EP but has more issues than goodness in my opinion.
Since I have an opinion that differs from the forums. I've been expressing it to the band in hopes that they realize.. "hey you know what, maybe getting my old friend who is a rapper to be featured on here wasn't the best move".
# 2 I don't know which member sent me a myspace message but it had a line in it.. i think it went "i think kids on there are a little too nice to us anyways" in reference to the message board. obviously trophy scars likes you guys because you buy their records and give them support, but you are all really into the band so they comments you say are pretty much expected. i'm sure trophy scars enjoys reading reviews that challenge their music rather than gush about it, as most artists are.
# 3 When I think of Trophy Scars. I think of Post-Hardcore. Which coincidentially is what they think of themselves according to myspace. So..
Anyways, I'm thankful for the great material the band has put out, and I'm just really trying to help them steer back to the better ideas I felt they had in the past.
1. by your own admission, they take criticism well. which is one of the points i've been trying to stress ever since your apparent problem with "the way they carry themselves."
2. you are revising history. you are now trying to make it sound like you are giving them positive feedback with some helpful suggestions when in actuality, you are saying that their instrumentals are gimmicks and that the lyrics are trite just because you can't find the proper way to apply them to your life like you could in the past. (-and that is why we are defending them so adamently)
3. I think you have made some pretty bold statements that you have left unsupported. For example: "I see it being scene/trying to hard to be different." "acutally way the band seems to advertise the album."
4. I don't think that we are defending them blindly. I think you are confusing fervid defense for a narrow minded blind faith one.
5. For clarification, my "your opinion is wrong." comment was intentionally loaded with an apparent ignorance as a jest. I put some 1337 lingo at the bottom to show it was a joke but I guess it wasn't clear enough, so for that error, I rescind.
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"Anyways, I'm thankful for the great material the band has put out, and I'm just really trying to help them steer back to the better ideas I felt they had in the past."
wow, that's a ****ing great one. very self righteous, are you a musical jesus dude? like i said...i think a band really goes places when they alienate a few kids. an overwhelming amount of old school/die hard/cult whatever you want to call it fans love the new album AND they have gained a ****load of new fands...i call that a success even though this boy here wants to make it his personal tragedy...its amazing when a band can please the old and grab the new...i really do hope all the new kids buy the old **** too and learn to appreciate it...
im ragging on this dude because he sounds like a pretentious little snob who knows everything...but really, it's fine if people aren't going to like it...bands who never write the same record twice are the best!
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trophyscars wrote: "Anyways, I'm thankful for the great material the band has put out, and I'm just really trying to help them steer back to the better ideas I felt they had in the past."
wow, that's a ****ing great one. very self righteous, are you a musical jesus dude? like i said...i think a band really goes places when they alienate a few kids. an overwhelming amount of old school/die hard/cult whatever you want to call it fans love the new album AND they have gained a ****load of new fands...i call that a success even though this boy here wants to make it his personal tragedy...its amazing when a band can please the old and grab the new...i really do hope all the new kids buy the old **** too and learn to appreciate it...
im ragging on this dude because he sounds like a pretentious little snob who knows everything...but really, it's fine if people aren't going to like it...bands who never write the same record twice are the best!
i figured i'd address your comment first.. yes i'm a musical jesus.
1. by your own admission, they take criticism well. which is one of the points i've been trying to stress ever since your apparent problem with "the way they carry themselves."
2. you are revising history. you are now trying to make it sound like you are giving them positive feedback with some helpful suggestions when in actuality, you are saying that their instrumentals are gimmicks and that the lyrics are trite just because you can't find the proper way to apply them to your life like you could in the past. (-and that is why we are defending them so adamently)
3. I think you have made some pretty bold statements that you have left unsupported. For example: "I see it being scene/trying to hard to be different." "acutally way the band seems to advertise the album."
4. I don't think that we are defending them blindly. I think you are confusing fervid defense for a narrow minded blind faith one.
5. For clarification, my "your opinion is wrong." comment was intentionally loaded with an apparent ignorance as a jest. I put some 1337 lingo at the bottom to show it was a joke but I guess it wasn't clear enough, so for that error, I rescind.
I guess my comments were badly misplaced, because "the way they carry themselves" was mainly targets at their advertising program. I'm just not a big fan of it. I think the members seem like swell guys, and if I did leave the impression that I was challenging their stature as people, I regret that. They seem like very down to earth guys, and I think that's great.
I sent the guys a few myspace messages before I came and talked about it on these forums. Also, I have constantly praised Jerry's vocal ability and their drummer Brian's skill on the kit. I have attacked the lyrically content and some of the what I feel are gimmicky parts of the album (rapping, layered insturments that don't seem to add as much as they did on previous albums, etc.) These are my opinions on what they need to get rid off, which I solely feel they should do. They don't have to take my advice, I'm just giving it too them in case they care (which i'm sure they don't that much).
I feel the advertising process that the band used for this album targeted kids in the "scene". It seems like Norma Jean or a Blood Brothers type advertising campaign. While Trophy Scars has always had inklings of this in their unmusical endeavors (obviously they would they are from New Jersey ) they never have been so apparent until now. Maybe it has to do with Death Scene.. maybe not?
I can't really argue with point four. You don't see yourselves as defending blindly, and I don't see myself as the condescending **** you probably see me as. I'm just trying to pass some advice, and at times it has been harsh I agree.
No hard feelings on the opinion thing. I was just mocking how fan boys/girls typically are.. not a dig at you at all.
Rorschach wrote: This is just sad. I don't even know where to start. I'm not gonna follow Jerry and the gang to the end of the earth. I don't have their pictures all over my walls but I do love this band with a very great fiber of my being. I'm sure they've accepted your criticism. What are they supposed to do tell people to only send them messages saying they really are the best band ever? The fact that they accept your criticism only goes to prove even further how humble they are.
As for the Mars Volta I love them as well. Scabdates if a live album of course it isn't a good as the rest. In a studio as I'm sure you're well aware you can do all sorts of things to make the music sound better. In a concert scenario you're really just flying by the seat of your pants playing without the aid of additional equipment.
Yeah great you're a rapper just like every other black kid on the corner of the 7-Eleven. I don't wanna hear it. I don't think they would come to you because being a rapper you just throw money around at hoes and drink till the cows come home. I'm sure they've said about how everyone on the forums is to nice. If you've been here for more then five minutes you can see how much we adore these guys and how much we would like to show it. Are they expecting people who have only heard one song from them go "HOLY SHiT THESE GUYS PWN GAY BALLS!"?
You're right in saying they would rather read negative reviews to see where they went wrong hoping to fix it for next album. If they didn't once again that would totally defeat the purpose of them being humble but I'm sure just like any human being they like to hear how awesome they are from time to time.
Saying they're "Post-Hardcore" is like saying Asians only come from China. Just because they're "Post-Hardcore" doesn't mean they haven't developed a sound that can't be described. What I mean by saying they sound like nothing I've ever heard is because no one band as of yet has come near to being able to craft a sound similar to theirs. They may be "Post-Hardcore" but that doesn't mean they're supposed to sound one way or another.
Once again. I think Trophy Scars are a great group of guys, and none of my attacks are meant to be at their persona only their musical abilities.
My favorite part about the Mars Volta is their live show. I've seen them three times now, and I can only think of a handful of bands that sound better and are more entertaining live. The problem with Scabdates is that it sucked, simple as that. Problem with The Mars Volta is they are overly pretentious sometimes and forget to make their music connect at human level. Hey, look I bashed one of my favorite bands. Looks like I'm not just picking on Trophy Scars.. and if Omar + Cedric were open to recieving criticism I'm sure I'd criticize them as well.
I don't get the rapper comment. But.. it just seems ill-placed and unneccesary. Kind of like some of those noise segmants in Mars Volta records.
As to what I expect from a fan forum, I expect an equal amount of criticism and love. If you go to the Comatorium you see users discussing what's good and bad about the band.. here I just see people wetting themselves over everything Trophy Scars does.. which really is bad for a fan base, because it just shows you are not extremely well-versed in music. Trophy Scars is good at what they do, great even. But the whole scream-sing thing they've got going on has been done for years upon years.
To say Trophy Scars is insanely original or one of the most creative bands to use strings and horns is a completely ridiculous statement. That would be like saying Thrice is the amazingly original for using a music box on their new album. Yes, these bands are good at adding odd bits of things to their music to prevent in from becoming stale, but they certainly aren't extremely original. If you want to listen to some original music go out a purchase a copy of Kayo Dot's Choirs of The Eye. We'll see how well the post-hardcore pop originality Trophy Scars possesses holds up to those crazy mother ****ers.
While I'm certainly not trying to downplay Trophy Scars ability to stick out in their scene they are post-hardcore with some bells and whistles. They aren't blazing a new path and to say they are is just sounding stupid. Hospital Music maybe could be considered a unique type of music. But it is all still drenched in the post-hardcore scene.
I respect them for what they are doing, but I certainly don't consider them one of the most creative bands in the music scene.
I feel the advertising process that the band used for this album targeted kids in the "scene". It seems like Norma Jean or a Blood Brothers type advertising campaign. While Trophy Scars has always had inklings of this in their unmusical endeavors (obviously they would they are from New Jersey ) they never have been so apparent until now. Maybe it has to do with Death Scene.. maybe not?
being i had a huge hand in putting together this massive "advertising campaign" for the band with the death scene, i can tell you that you're dead wrong. there was no "target audience". and how can you say what the ads were aimed at? a couple banners on ap.net, lambgoat, acclaimedpunk, trustkillshows, decoymusic, emotionalpunk, pastepunk, and punknews.org...what else did you see besides a free sticker in alternative press and purevolume features that gave you this impression?
the ad campaign was based solely around getting people to hear the preview music and keep listening to it (why we put up one song a week so people would keep coming back)..we had no discussion of where our "targets" were besides different locales that we knew had a larger concentration of current listeners to distro the CD in stores in (cali, FL, northeast, midwest) hence where word of mouth would travel more...
...for you to say this was some sham of a dribble campaign like some huge indie/major would pull off is INSULTING to me personally being the band had no hand in it since that's what me and the label are there for...i think the promo for this record was intimate and personalized to current fans especially...why the **** do you think i'm on this board while every other jaded music industry type wont even open a ****ign press pack anymore? because part of the reason i love working with this band is because of the loyal openminded fans they have
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^ well. that makes sense anyways. Trophy Scars has a scene type following.. appeasing to their fans would be appeasing to scene kids.
Somebody please ban this faggot. That is just insulting. In no way am I scene nor do I try and be. I've never even called myself "scene" in a serioues setting before. You make generalized opinions that do nothing more then aggitate people. Calling us "not extremely well-versed in music" is another generalization that is just unfounded and something I find offending.
Rorschach wrote: pixiesfanyo wrote: ^ well. that makes sense anyways. Trophy Scars has a scene type following.. appeasing to their fans would be appeasing to scene kids.
Somebody please ban this faggot. That is just insulting. In no way am I scene nor do I try and be. I've never even called myself "scene" in a serioues setting before. You make generalized opinions that do nothing more then aggitate people. Calling us "not extremely well-versed in music" is another generalization that is just unfounded and something I find offending.
And I find sexual descrimatory slang terms used as offensive remarks insulting.
Lots of bands have "scene" followings.
Thrice, The Mars Volta, Trophy Scars, Minus the Bear, etc.
Rorschach wrote: This is just sad. I don't even know where to start. I'm not gonna follow Jerry and the gang to the end of the earth. I don't have their pictures all over my walls but I do love this band with a very great fiber of my being. I'm sure they've accepted your criticism. What are they supposed to do tell people to only send them messages saying they really are the best band ever? The fact that they accept your criticism only goes to prove even further how humble they are. As for the Mars Volta I love them as well. Scabdates if a live album of course it isn't a good as the rest. In a studio as I'm sure you're well aware you can do all sorts of things to make the music sound better. In a concert scenario you're really just flying by the seat of your pants playing without the aid of additional equipment. Yeah great you're a rapper just like every other black kid on the corner of the 7-Eleven. I don't wanna hear it. I don't think they would come to you because being a rapper you just throw money around at hoes and drink till the cows come home. I'm sure they've said about how everyone on the forums is to nice. If you've been here for more then five minutes you can see how much we adore these guys and how much we would like to show it. Are they expecting people who have only heard one song from them go "HOLY SHiT THESE GUYS PWN GAY BALLS!"? You're right in saying they would rather read negative reviews to see where they went wrong hoping to fix it for next album. If they didn't once again that would totally defeat the purpose of them being humble but I'm sure just like any human being they like to hear how awesome they are from time to time. Saying they're "Post-Hardcore" is like saying Asians only come from China. Just because they're "Post-Hardcore" doesn't mean they haven't developed a sound that can't be described. What I mean by saying they sound like nothing I've ever heard is because no one band as of yet has come near to being able to craft a sound similar to theirs. They may be "Post-Hardcore" but that doesn't mean they're supposed to sound one way or another.
Amen, buddy.
This CD is true to Trophy Scars, I will defend it. I see where they're coming from, I'm anxious to know where they're going.
Post hardcore definately does not have a set sound. You'd be a ignorant **** to think so. Post hardcore can be emo, true emo, like Saetia. It has a totally different sound than a band that I'm going to be booking around town, where they are more of an "indie rock" vibe (as incredibly flawed as that term is). Then there's TS. The boys don't sound like either and you sound like a n00b.
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pixiesfanyo wrote: Rorschach wrote: pixiesfanyo wrote: ^ well. that makes sense anyways. Trophy Scars has a scene type following.. appeasing to their fans would be appeasing to scene kids.
Somebody please ban this faggot. That is just insulting. In no way am I scene nor do I try and be. I've never even called myself "scene" in a serioues setting before. You make generalized opinions that do nothing more then aggitate people. Calling us "not extremely well-versed in music" is another generalization that is just unfounded and something I find offending.
And I find sexual descrimatory slang terms used as offensive remarks insulting.
Lots of bands have "scene" followings.
Thrice, The Mars Volta, Trophy Scars, Minus the Bear, etc.
All "scene" followings..
It's not a bad thing?
i find YOU offensive and insulting...seriously man, if you came here and just talked about what YOU think about it...it would be one thing and i'd be all about it...but you are making such sweeping remarks about them and their listeners its unreal...ive been on tour with this band a ****load of times...ive seen these "scene" people you think that listen to them all over the country and trust me, there's plenty of people in the audience for them who look like the dork who got beat up in school rather than some scene queen with a white belt on...of course those kids are there too, but its a really big mix...you really have no ****ing clue dude!
i never get involved in **** like this...but it feels good lol hopefully i dont make a habit of it
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Sometimes I don't get why people hate the "scene" so much. The BANDS are what matters and almost all my friends are in bands. The bands the ones who START the trends, and they aren't to blame for liking something that has potential to be popular. It's one of the basic ideals of fashion. Everything has a cycle and it will come back into popularity, there's nothing new only what you like matters.
Gr3g is one of those kids who looks out of place at the shows he attends. I always look out of place.
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I just hate all the excess **** that goes along with it.. (floor punching, girl pants, etc.)
It just makes shows a pain in the ass to enjoy because you have to deal with these 15 year olds that try to form a counter culture by being carbon copies of one another.
Then again, I'm a scene hater so I'm just like all the others right?
) they never have been so apparent until now. Maybe it has to do with Death Scene.. maybe not?
